Kevin Smith Clarifies The DC Cinematic Universe

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JUSTICE LEAGUE ASSEMBLE!! No, wait, that’s not right.

Hello folks, Dale Denton here and it seems that good old Kevin Smith has been talking once again.
The director of ‘Clerks‘, ‘Chasing Amy‘, and the upcoming ‘Tusk‘, as well as the host of a number of podcasts, such as ‘Fatman on Batman‘ or ‘Hollywood Babble-On‘, has spoken in the past of how he has been shown elements of the production of the ‘Man of Steel’ sequel, including the new batsuit. And damn was he right about how awesome that batsuit was.

Well now our comic book Lord of the Nerds has been telling more of his inside information (I suppose it helps when you’re close friends with a certain Dark Knight). Smith has spoken about how Warner Bros. are going ahead with their shared universe, and how they are differing from Marvel Studios’ approach. First he speaks about his thoughts on the recently revealed title of the ‘Man of Steel’ follow-up ‘Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice‘:

“It’s a bit of a mouthful. And also, I don’t know why Batman V. Superman. Why not just throw the “s” in there? Or spell it or something like that. Or honestly, every comic book fan on the planet, who is a DC comic book fan, I think we all wanted to see Batman/Superman: World’s Finest.”

He continues on with this:

“But look, they’re obviously beginning something, and there’s a stretch of these flicks. And so this is the beginning of the Justice League, as we all suspected as they were announcing that cast. We were like, ‘This is the beginning of a Justice League movie.’ From what I understand now, it’s no longer like, ‘This is Superman 2.’ They’re not doing these things. They’re doing like, ‘Here’s Man of Steel. Here’s Batman/Superman: Dawn of Justice.’ The next one is not like a sequel to one of the characters. They’re just going to keep building their universe for about five or six movies….But all of them…it’s supposed to tell one massive story, which is all Justice League oriented.”

So according to Smith, instead of following Marvel’s formula of individual hero film, individual hero film, CROSSOVER!! Individual hero film etc, Warner Bros are going a different direction and crafting one long story spread out over several film instalments. A superhero magnum opus if you will. This is incredibly intriguing folks, not only is Warner Bros and DC breaking out of Marvel’s shadow and doing their own thing, dare I say could it possibly be better?

JUSTICE LEAGUE, ROLL OUT!!
Something’s missing, that’s still not it.

Now I’m not going to pretend that the Marvel movies aren’t awesome, because they absolutely are, I mean just look at ‘Captain America: The Winter Soldier‘, their most recent release and my personal favourite of the franchise. However, in a post-Avengers world where everyone is quickly trying to build their own shared superhero universes on the big screen, with 20th Century Fox and their X-Men/Fantastic Four universe and Sony building towards Venom and the Sinister Six in their Spidey-verse, to varying levels of success, it’s actually pretty bold of Warner Bros to go against the proven formula and standard set by Marvel and try something different. Whether they fail or succeed, they get credit for trying in my book. And let’s face it, ever since ‘The Avengers’, the Marvel movies have had to deal with the issue of “Where was such and such when that happened?”
“The President was in danger in ‘Iron Man 3‘, was that too inconvenient for Captain America?”
“So big things are happening with SHIELD and Hawkeye isn’t helping Scarlet Witch??”
We’ve all heard it, and while we ultimately know the logical reason why the other heroes aren’t there, still it’s a question people continue to ask. But if the DC movies are going to not bother with the solo outings, and essentially each film is another instalment in an ongoing Justice League saga, then that is a problem Warner Bros won’t have to deal with.
I for one think it’s a great idea and am eagerly looking forward to it, I mean come one, Batman and Superman battling one another, on screen for the first time EVER, followed by a JUSTICE LEAGUE film only a year or two later. We are very lucky geeks people.

5… 4… 3… 2… 1… JUSTICE LEAGUES ARE GO!!!
You know I think I’ll get back to you on the whole catchphrase thing.

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9 comments on “Kevin Smith Clarifies The DC Cinematic Universe

  1. The bat-suit is good ? Ahahahah no it suffers from all the flaws as the superman suit. Provide me with a good reason for this ?

    • It’s essentially a live action interpretation of The Dark Knight Returns batsuit.
      And I personally LOVE The Dark Knight Returns.
      Thank you for your comment.

      • Outside of the logo it bares no resemblance to the DKR’s batsuit. Let’s start with the basics, the texture for one is yet another example of over complicating an already perfect design, presumably to appeal to the four people who went through the 1990’s and still somehow thought extraneous detail in some way helped a suit (hint there is a reason most of DC’s licensed products don’t use the awful Jim Lee redesigns.)

        The colour balance is way way off, in no way resembling the dark blue of DKR, the removal of the trunks also adds to the downright hilarious appearance of the costume. It’s easy to assume The trunks were removed to help man children insecure about things they like being seen as “mature”

        And really the Dark Knight Returns suit is hardly the best costume they could have used as inspiration, being as it is largely just a bulky take on the silver age Batsuit. It like the comic it features in is mired in it’s time. The Batman featured in it only works as a reaction against Silver Age batman and the story itself is almost laughable compared to it’s far superior brother in arms “Watchmen”

        For truly great Batsuits look at among others Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez classic Batsuit featured throughout the 1990’s, Dave Johnson’s Batsuit featured in the post “No Man’s Land” bat titles of the early 2000’s or more recently the Dick Grayson Batsuit designed for the “Batman Reborn” sub heading. Any of these could have been chosen over DKR but I suppose it wouldn’t appeal to the “Grim’n’Gritty” crowd.

  2. I’m very sorry but why are Batman and Superman fighting in the film? Batman is the worlds greatest detective, surely he would go “hang on a second, sure Superman was a bit of a dick destroying the city but his heart was in the right place I guess. Maybe I could talk to him and give him some guidance” and then Superman would be like “Yo dude, I’m the nicest guy on the planet. Boy scout, that’s me. We should be pals”. This is how they should react, not with fighting. This is just pointless pandering to get all the sad fanboys excited and over them fighting when in reality they would never fight ond and other. Another point: why is Wonder Woman in this film? I mean it feels like she’s just going to be there to be a love interest to our two big sexy men and create a love triangle. I mean I want to be hopeful but after the horrible Man Of Steel DC really need to up their game. Not to mention this isn’t the first time Batman and Superman are on screen at the same time. The animated films should be counted and given credit for. In my opinion they will always be far superior to these live action “additions” to the DC universe

    • Batman in this continuity is a veteran, he’s been at this for at lest twenty years. He’s essentially The Dark Knight Returns Batman.
      Kal-El is an alien who was involved in the battle that destroyed Metropolis and shook the world to its core, and while Superman was the city’s (and the planet’s) saviour, to the general public (presumably rallied more so by Lex Luthor) Superman was equally at fault for the city’s destruction. And for someone as paranoid as Batman, who in the comics is always ready and willing to take Superman down if he deems it necessary, it makes sense for Batman to come down hard on Superman, but we all know by the end of the film they’ll come to a mutual understanding, but first we need to see that rocky start, the rivalry before the friendship.
      And while I really love the animated movies, I was only counting the theatrical live action releases, because they’ve never been on screen before in a live action theatrical release.
      As for Wonder Woman, I am cautious about her appearance, though that is mainly due to the choice of actress, but I shall remain optimistic until I see the performance, for in the end we haven’t seen the film so we can’t judge until we have.
      Thanks for the comment.

      • Except of course that if we take the idea that Batman is a veteran in this continuity and specifically veteran batman based on DKR it’s unlikely that he would ever come to a “mutual understanding” as the DKR Batman is shown to be fanatically obsessed with the concept of justice (an awful idea that has unfortunately seeped into the general portrayal of Batman) “Synderman” is literally responsible the deaths of thousands of people, an idea that someone genuinely sat down and thought “this, this is what we want in a film that features one of the most idealistic, intelligent Superhero’s out there.”

        DKR Batman would come down hard on this Superman and never stop, if that’s the route they go it means Superman is practically a villain (how original, never seen that before) and Batman is a psychopath (how 1990’s) To try and prescribe a meaning deeper than “Zach Synder likes explosions” is laughable.

        A tad elitist to say you weren’t “counting” the animated films, and even then BVSDOJ isn’t the first live action meeting between the two. The animated universe already beats this new universe based solely on the fact that their premier hero is not a mass murderer. There has never been a live action Batman film that in anyway beats Mask of the Phantasm, the animated universe benefits from having children as it’s main audience, since you know they don’t need over the top excuses for why Batman used bat shaped boomerangs.

        Your optimistic that a film written by David “literally called She-Hulk a s***” Goyer and directed by the man who made Sucker Punch has any chance of having a respectful portrayal of the most recognised female superhero ? Don’t make me laugh from the set photos we can already see that Miss Godot has fallen victim to Synders creepy preference for sickly thin women.

      • I agree that I expect Lex to try and use the cities destruction to his advantage when it comes to battling Superman however you forget one thing: The army and Daily Planet staff are behind Superman and believe him to be a good guy. If these people are smart enough to know Superman is a good guy then Batman is surely able to work it out given that he is going to be smarter. Another thing to note is that Batman will indeed be a veteran which I’m going to take as meaning he’s been at it for years so Jim Gordon, Nightwing, Robin and the city knowing about Batman’s existance and seeing him as a hero. If Gotham knows then surely everywhere else will know about Batman. That means the second Superman sees Batman he would go “hey you’re that hero from Gotham right?”. They don’t have to be best friends right from the start but the mere concept of them battling is something that should be avoided because it would go against what we already know about the characters.

        As for Wonder Woman’s appearance. It isn’t the actress which bothers me: It’s Snyder and he’s proven through Suckerpunch that female leads aren’t his strong point and given the She-Hulk comments from Goyer recently I think DC should look to retconning Man Of Steel and starting fresh by targetting a younger audience because at their heart comics are for children and I for one would never let my son watch any of the recent DC live action films (despite all the marketing and toys they release aimed at children) because at the end of the day the animated universe is just better for all ages.

      • To be fair though, while the first draft of the script was written by Goyer, the new draft is written by Chris Terrio, oscar winning writer of ‘Argo’. So it has potential.
        Also kudos, I too love the Animated universe 🙂

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